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Eddie's avatar

I have read before that Israel is happy that muslims displaced by war in the Middle East should colonise Europe.

I thought this to be anti semitic,hard right conspiracy theory.

Is there then some truth in this ?

I prefer to see Israel as making the fight against Islamic terrorism, which we should all support, not just pushing the problem elsewhere.

Ethno Nationalism.

A dirty term. Implications of Nazis and jew hatred.

Was the BNP all bad ?

I find myself in limbo.

I detest politicians of the stamp we have endured for decades. I have an inbuilt patriotism and love for my country.

I resent the destruction and indeed degradation in some areas of England brought about by imported foreigners. I absolutely hate left wing dyed hair traitors. "No Nation! No borders ! ".

( Look at our war memorials and the names of young men who died to keep our country free - you idiots)

I am no Nazi and I don't hate Jews.

Where do I fit in ?

Even the Tommy "Unite the Kingdom" scene does not oppose multi culturalism - it's all about inclusivity not racism.

At the same time they chant "We want our country back, we want our country back !"

Now exactly what does that mean ?

Perhaps Frodo should just shut his front door and prefer not worry about Orcs.

Benjamin Chandler's avatar

"Others became uncomfortable when I proposed we deport unassimilable Jihadists, while being at war with Hamas. "

There is a deeper reason for this that might not be apparent at first glance. What's happened here is that you've wandered into a small minefield of local Israeli politics, of which you were not aware. This is the reason for the awkward looks. Let me try to explain.

For the English, the Muslims are newly-arrived, invited by the government, as distinct from the nation. Many of them have not deep roots, and might easily be induced to leave.

For the Israelis, the Muslims (as a group) were present at the moment of the establishment of the state, and the declaration of independence implores them to stay and behave peacefully. Many left during the 1948 war, but some were added in small land swaps during the cease-fire negotiations with Jordan in 1949.

Should the Arabs of Israel be deported, and their citizenship revoked? There was a small political faction (Kach) which advocated this policy, but the Israeli political body as a whole eventually rejected this suggestion as beyond the pale. So far neither the events of 2021 nor the ongoing war have changed this.

This is why, when a young man comes from Britain, and starts talking matter-of-factly about mass deportations, the Israeli politician begins to stammer. He cannot be seen to consider the idea seriously without being associated with the Kach faction. Anything he says about Britain will be immediate wrenched out of context and applied to the Israeli situation. So he hems and haws.

The answers you received are what they would answer if the question were applied to the Israeli case. They give this answer because they can give no other, due of the dictates of local politics. It's not a simple case of hypocrisy.

Integration is, in fact, the Israeli policy towards its non-Jewish citizens, even while Israel is at war with Hamas, though it is applied at the level of the group, not the individual. But there is another lesson to be learned here. How successful has Israel been in integrating its Arab & Muslim citizens over 80 years? In a country where the Jewish majority is strong, where the national ideology is unapologetic (mostly...), and where the army is willing to act against Jihadi threats? The answer is, not all that successful. The riots of 2021 paint a gloomy picture. How well could Britain be expected to do, when its own citizens cannot raise their own flag without risk? Even in the rosiest outcome, eighty years from now, you will still have primary schools in midland cities where no English is spoken.

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